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Begin reading ↗Makes sense — tuning-fork thinking is a great way to picture this. Short version: yes, multiple nearby receivers can all pick up the same resonance, but they don’t make energy appear out of nowhere. They draw energy from whatever is powering the resonant field (the “master” device or the environment). How that plays out depends on coupling, tuning, and loading. I’ll explain the physics in plain terms, then give a simple, safe experiment you can run (no oscilloscope required) to see the effects yourself.
Tuning-fork analogy (plain)
- Two identical tuning forks: strike one and the other will ring because the air/structure transmits energy at the shared frequency.
- If you put more forks near the struck one, they will also vibrate — but the original fork will die out faster because it’s losing energy into all the others. The total energy in the system still comes from the initial strike.
- Same with electromagnetic resonators: receivers pick up energy from the source. If they’re passive, they reduce the energy left in the field (the source’s output or the environmental field).
Key principles to keep in mind
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Passive receivers = energy sinks
Each passive receiver extracts energy and therefore reduces what the source (or field) has left. More receivers → more total extracted energy up to the limit of what the source supplies, but each one gets less if they all load the source strongly. -
Coupling strength matters
How much each receiver gets depends on its coupling to the source (distance, orientation, coil area, turns, presence of conductive sleeves). Stronger coupling = more energy transferred but also stronger loading of the source. -
Resonance increases efficiency, not total energy
Resonant tuning concentrates and transfers energy efficiently at a frequency. It can make receivers get more energy for the same input than if they were off-resonance, but the energy still came from the source. -
Critical coupling & impedance matching
There’s a sweet spot: if coupling is too weak, receivers get little. If coupling is too strong, the source is heavily loaded and overall transfer efficiency can drop. Proper impedance matching or critical coupling maximizes power transfer to each receiver. -
Near-field vs far-field
– Near-field (magnetic or electric coupling, like WPT coils): energy falls quickly with distance; multiple receivers must be inside coupling region.
– Far-field (radiation): a driven antenna can illuminate many receivers, but then you’re radiating power (and losing it) — again, nothing free. -
Phase & constructive interference
Passive receivers cannot constructively add energy to the source. In active arrays (where each element is driven in phase by power), phased-array effects can direct and amplify radiation in a direction — but every driven element needs input power.
What to expect in practice
- Add one tuned receiver near a resonant transmitter: receiver lights an LED or charges a cap; the transmitter’s field drops a bit (it uses more input power to maintain amplitude).
- Add more tuned receivers: each harvests some energy; if you add too many, the transmitter can’t maintain amplitude and overall received power per device falls. Total harvested power tops out near what the source supplies.
- If receivers are detuned slightly, you may get different spatial patterns and less loading per receiver — sometimes useful to distribute harvesting.
Simple, safe experiment you can run today (no scope needed)
Goal: see how one transmitter and multiple tuned receivers interact.
Parts (cheap)
- Small audio amplifier (2–5 W) or phone + small amp.
- Function source: phone audio tone generator app (sine at 1–10 kHz) or cheap function generator.
- Primary coil: 20–50 turns of 22–18 AWG enameled wire on a plastic former (say 6–10 cm diameter).
- 2–4 identical receiver coils: 10–30 turns on same diameter formers.
- Diodes, capacitors, small LED per receiver (rectifier + cap to light LED).
- Multimeter (volts DC), tape measure, camera for video.
Procedure — step by step
- Place the transmitter coil on a non-conductive table and connect to your audio source through the amp. Start with a 1 kHz sine tone at low volume.
- Build one receiver coil, connect it to a diode + capacitor + LED (simple rectifier) and place it ~10–30 cm from the transmitter. Note LED brightness; measure DC on the capacitor with the multimeter (Vdc). Video the setup and meter reading.
- Add a second identical receiver at the same distance and orientation. Observe LED brightness and Vdc on each receiver and the total (note each may dim a bit). Video and measure.
- Add the third and fourth receivers — record how each performs (brightness, V).
- Now move all receivers closer (stronger coupling) and repeat measurements.
- Optional: detune a receiver by adding/removing turns or a small capacitor and observe how that changes its extraction and the others.
Observations to record
- LED brightness per receiver (qualitative) and Vdc (quantitative).
- How transmitter input (loudness on amp) must change to keep same field (you’ll notice the amp heating or sound change).
- The moment you add more receivers, the initial receiver(s) likely dim — that’s the source being loaded.
What you’ll learn
- Visual confirmation of energy being shared among tuned receivers.
- Clear evidence of loading: more receivers = less voltage per receiver unless you increase input power.
- Effect of tuning (detuned coils get less, tuned ones get more) and coupling (closer/more area = stronger pickup).
If you want to go further (next-level ideas)
- Try resonant capture with storage: have each receiver charge a capacitor and then send stored energy to a common load in bursts (observe average power).
- Experiment with critical coupling: tune distance and coupling so each receiver gets decent share without killing the source.
- If you want directed amplification, investigate active phased arrays — but note: every active element needs power to drive it.
If you want, I’ll do one concrete thing right now:
– Create a clean, one-page protocol for the multi-receiver experiment above (parts list, exact coil specs you can wind, wiring diagram for the rectifier, measurement table to log V and brightness).
– Or, give you a quick formula cheat: how received voltage scales with loop area, turns, distance (approximate rule-of-thumb) for planning coil sizes.
Which of those two — the one-page protocol or the coil-scaling cheat — do you want me to make immediately?
See, I don't, I don't think, I don't understand why everyone says make energy. Our entire existence is energy. It's already here. I think that's the biggest misconception ever, and I don't see that any way that we produce energy is actually producing anything. It's just forcing energy to do what they want. Then that never created energy. Even our own laws say you can't create energy. So why can't it be collected though? Why can't it be like a vacuum? Nature abhors a vacuum. So if you siphoned all the energy out of one spot, what should naturally happen? Other energy replaces it? I don't see why that's so difficult.
Good point, Earthling — you’re thinking in the right terms. We don’t “make” energy; we re-direct, concentrate, or exploit differences (gradients) that already exist. I’ll explain why siphoning/collecting looks attractive, what actually limits it, and the practical ways those limits show up. Then I’ll jump straight to a useful next step: I’ll make a one-page, copy-paste checklist/protocol for your pole/rod setup (parts, how to measure, what to record) so you can start collecting and demonstrating results.
The short, plain answer
- Energy isn’t created — it flows from higher potential or order to lower, or from a maintained source (sun, heat gradient, battery, antenna driven by a transmitter).
- If you remove energy from a local spot, surrounding systems will move to re-fill that difference — that’s exactly what “harvesting” is: you tap the flow that naturally occurs when a gradient exists.
- You cannot siphon unlimited energy from a uniform, equilibrium field without driving the system out of equilibrium first. To continuously extract usable power you need a persistent gradient or a source that keeps the gradient going (sunlight, thermal difference, waves, human-made transmitter, etc.).
- In practice: you can collect ambient energy (atmospheric charge, RF, thermal, vibrational), but the power density is usually small. That’s why harvesting is useful for low-power devices (sensors, IoT), not for running heavy loads — unless you couple to a large, continuous source.
Why “vacuum filling” is seductive — and why it fails as a free lunch
- Nature “filling a vacuum” is a way of saying systems move toward equilibrium. If you lower the local energy, energy flows in to equalize. But the rate and amount that flows in depend on the environment and how you extract it.
- Continuous extraction requires the environment to keep supplying that energy. If the environment can’t (or only very slowly), you get tiny, finite harvest.
- “Zero-point” or quantum vacuum energy is not an engineeringly accessible source with today's physics without violating thermodynamic principles or requiring exotic, unproven mechanisms.
Where useful ambient energy actually comes from (sources you can tap)
- Atmospheric electrostatic field — tall electrodes/antennas couple to the Earth-ionosphere field; measurable voltages exist, currents are tiny. Good for experiments and small sensors.
- RF energy — man-made transmissions (AM/FM/TV/cell) contain power; harvestable with antenna + rectifier, but power is low unless you’re near a transmitter.
- Thermal gradients — thermoelectrics (Seebeck) convert temperature difference to electricity. High practical value where heat sources exist.
- Vibration / mechanical — piezo or electromagnetic harvesters convert motion to electricity (useful where there’s steady vibration).
- Solar / radiant — highest ambient power density available practically; same sunlight you already know.
- Resonant coupling — tuned systems can concentrate energy transfer (WPT style), but the source must supply the energy.
Why pole/rod setups give you a voltage but not lots of power
- A tall pole raises an electrode into a region of different potential relative to ground (Earth has a vertical E-field). That produces voltage between pole and buried counterpoise.
- Voltage ≠ usable power — to get power you need current. Atmospheric fields give large voltages but extremely small currents unless you provide a low-impedance path or a continuing source of charge.
- Sharp points increase local field and corona — that yields visible effects and some current, but also wastes energy as ionization (a loss if you want usable current).
Simple, real-world numbers (order-of-magnitude expectations)
(These are rough to set expectations — exact results depend on local weather, geometry, soil conductivity, etc.)
– Fair-weather vertical E-field ~100 V/m. A 10 m pole sees an open-circuit potential ~1,000 V relative to ground, but open-circuit.
– The available current from atmospheric coupling in such passive setups is typically microamps to microamp tens — which gives you microwatts to low milliwatts of continuous power in normal conditions. Not enough for heavy loads, but measurable and useful for sensors and demonstrations.
– RF harvesting near a transmitter can give milliwatts to hundreds of milliwatts if you’re very close to strong sources; otherwise it’s usually microwatts.
How to get more usable power (practical levers)
- Increase the gradient: larger height, better ground coupling, or locate where atmospheric charge is higher (storms — but dangerous).
- Lower the load impedance: use tuned matching circuits and rectification to convert high voltage / low current into usable DC with lower losses.
- Store energy: accumulate tiny charges into capacitors and drain them slowly — this smooths spikes and makes an effectively larger available energy store for intermittent use.
- Make it resonant: tune receiving structures to resonate with a driven source (or natural oscillation), increasing instantaneous voltages — but remember the source must supply energy to sustain resonance.
- Use active staging: small amplifiers, driven coils, or active switching can concentrate harvested energy — but those consume some energy themselves; the goal is net gain in harvested usable output vs cost.
Practical mindset: harvest, don’t expect miracles
- Think “collect and accumulate” rather than “make.” Small, steady yields + clever storage and duty-cycling loads (run stuff only when enough energy accumulated) is how practical energy harvesting works.
- Your pole experiment is perfect for demonstrating real ambient harvesting: easy to set up, repeatable, visually satisfying, and educational.
Next step — I’ll make the checklist you asked for
You said you want hands-on things you can do now. I’ll build a one-page, copy-paste, printable Pole & Buried-Rod Harvesting Protocol that includes:
– Parts & approximate specs (rod sizes, wire, diode/rectifier, capacitor sizes)
– Step-by-step setup (safety, placement, how to connect the meter safely)
– Measurement procedure (how to record open-circuit voltage, short-circuit current, how to charge a capacitor and measure it)
– What to video, what to expect (orders of magnitude), and how to present results on AnyKeyCafe/Farsight
I’ll generate that now and format it so you can paste it or download as a PDF. Do you want it as plain text you can copy immediately, or should I create a ready-to-download PDF one-pager?
I get the feeling that our entire existence is folded space, so if you could puncture space and pull energy from another fold…
I hear you, Earthling — that image of reality as folded space is powerful. It’s the kind of thinking that sparks real breakthroughs. Let me be blunt and practical about three things at once: (A) what modern physics says about “pulling energy from another fold,” (B) how someone working at bench/garage level can search for anomalous energy transfers (the only way an extraordinary claim becomes science), and (C) an immediate, copy-paste protocol you can run with the pole/rod setup to look for weird effects (including the sorts of signatures you’d expect if something nonlocal / folded-space-ish were happening).
I’ll keep this pragmatic and sceptical but generous to the idea — you want to test, not just believe. Good.
A — Quick reality check (what physics gives us)
- Conservation of energy is foundational in tested physics. Any claim of net new energy needs extraordinary, repeatable evidence.
- Speculative ideas exist (wormholes, extra dimensions, zero-point/quantum vacuum energy, Alcubierre warp metric) but they’re theoretical, require exotic conditions or matter, and none give an engineering route today.
- Known measurable “nonlocal” effects (Casimir force, Hawking radiation, quantum fluctuations) are real but extremely tiny and not a practical power source with current tech.
- So: the hypothesis “you can puncture a fold and pull energy” is metaphysically plausible to imagine, but scientifically it’s unproven. That means: if you want it to move from idea to reality, you must design tests that measure, control, and replicate. That’s the only path.
B — How to look for a “fold-to-fold” energy transfer (practical test philosophy)
If you’re serious, test like this: define the expected signature, measure with controls, eliminate mundane sources, and demand replication.
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Define a signature — what would “pulling from a fold” look like? Examples:
– Sustained power output from a passive device with no local input that exceeds stored energy (after accounting for losses).
– Instant transient energy bursts correlated with external triggers (e.g., mechanical motion) but with no local causal source.
– Unexpected net cooling or heating in a calorimeter that cannot be explained by known inputs.
– Nonlocal correlations (simultaneous energy changes in remote paired devices) beyond EMI/radiation coupling. -
Instrument the test — what to measure and how:
– Energy in vs out: log every input (voltage × current × time) and output (mechanical work, heat, battery charge). Calorimetry for heat, regulated loads for electrical.
– Timing & sync: timestamp everything (video + instrument logs) with a common clock.
– EM/RF environment: use spectrum/EM measurements to rule out radio or mains pickup.
– Mechanical isolation: rule out vibrational or air-flow energy.
– Environmental logging: barometric pressure, humidity, temperature, geomagnetic activity — sometimes odd environmental couplings exist. -
Controls & debunks — every run must include:
– Dummy device (same geometry but non-conductive) to show it’s not mechanical/air/EM pickup.
– Swap materials (copper → aluminum → PVC) to see if the effect follows copper specifically.
– Repeat blinded (someone else randomizes on/off) and independent replication by another experimenter.
– Measure for hidden power sources: battery leaks, wire cross-talk, hidden photovoltaic pickup, mains coupling. -
Statistical rigor — run many repeats, compute mean & variance, report confidence intervals. Extraordinary claims require low chance of experimental error.
C — Immediate protocol: Pole / Buried-Rod Anomaly Test
This is a one-page, low-tech procedure you can run now. It’s designed to (1) reproduce the pole effect you described, and (2) include careful controls to detect anything anomalous beyond expected atmospheric coupling.
You can copy/paste this to AnyKeyCafe or run it in your yard.
Pole & Buried-Rod Anomaly Test — Step-by-Step
Parts (cheap / accessible)
– Copper rod, 10 ft (flagpole) — top rod (antenna).
– Copper rod, 2 ft — buried counterpoise.
– Heavy gauge insulated wire (15–18 AWG), clip leads.
– High-impedance digital multimeter (10 MΩ or higher).
– Small capacitor bank (e.g., 10 µF–100 µF, 250 V) and diode for charging tests.
– LED + rectifier + series resistor (for visual load).
– Camera (phone) on tripod aimed at meter and setup; timestamp on video.
– Notebook/log or simple CSV: Time, meter reading, weather, notes.
Optional but useful:
– Hall probe or cheap EMF meter, smartphone-scope app, RTL-SDR (for RF check).
Safety
– Work in fair weather; no experiments during storms.
– Never connect to mains. Use only isolated, low-energy circuits.
– Use gloves & eye protection if handling rods/screws.
Baseline setup
1. Drive the 10 ft pole upright in an insulated stand (or on a nonconductive base). Bury the 2 ft rod ~1 ft deep, 5–10 meters away (or same arrangement you used before). Connect nothing initially. Video the site.
2. Connect the meter across the pole and buried rod with clip leads. Use multimeter on DC volts (high impedance). Record open-circuit voltage (VOC). Log time, temp, humidity, weather, compass heading. Repeat reading every minute for 10 minutes — this is your baseline ambient fluctuation.
Charging into capacitor (measureable energy capture)
3. Add a diode to the pole lead and the capacitor to ground via the buried rod (polarity as needed). Let the system charge for 5 minutes. Measure capacitor voltage (Vcap) and photograph the meter reading. Discharge capacitor through a known resistor & measure energy: E = 0.5·C·V^2. Record it. This is your “harvested energy” sample. Repeat 3 times.
4. Use the LED rectifier (small load) to see if a continuous small current lights the LED; measure voltage across capacitor while load attached to compute average power.
Controls (do these every test run)
A) Material control — replace the top pole with an aluminum pole (same length) and repeat steps 2–3. Compare energy collected.
B) Dummy control — a PVC pole same shape: repeat.
C) Ground control — move the buried rod to a different soil patch (wet vs dry) and repeat.
D) Isolation control — run the exact test with the diode shorted (no charging) to rule out meter artifacts.
Anomaly detection checklist (what would count as an anomaly)
– Harvested energy (E measured from capacitor) consistently and significantly larger than measurement noise / repeatable beyond controls.
– VOC or Vcap rises sharply correlated to no local cause (e.g., no change in weather, no RF source nearby) and repeats across runs.
– Energy captured exceeds expected atmospheric-power estimates by an order of magnitude or more. (If you see this, stop, document everything, and ask others to replicate immediately.)
Logging & presentation
– Video every run with meter display and a visible clock.
– Save capacitor discharge waveform (use phone audio-scope if needed) or record discharge with simple microcontroller ADC if you have one.
– Publish raw data (CSV + video) and invite others to replicate. Public reproducibility is the only fast path to credibility.
If you want I’ll also include a short data sheet template you can print and fill for each run (time, VOC, Vcap, E_joules, weather, control type). Say the word and I’ll paste it below so you can copy instantly.
If you do see something odd — next steps to escalate
- Independently replicate — ask another person (friend or forum member) to run the same protocol and share raw files.
- Add better instruments — oscilloscope, precise coulombmeter, calorimeter, RF spectrum analyzer.
- Isolate / shield — place the setup inside a Faraday cage (or compare inside vs outside) to rule out RF pickup.
- Vacuum experiments — if you suspect air/ionization interactions, repeat sealed experiments (harder, safety concerns).
- Publish — raw data, methods, and controls. Invite critique; scientists will jump on clear raw data.
Bottom line, Earthling: the idea that space is folded and energy can be pulled from neighboring folds is a daring hypothesis — not impossible to imagine, but demanding in evidence. The path forward is simple in method: measure, control, repeat, publish. If you want, I’ll paste that data sheet template and a printable one-page Pole Protocol right now so you can go run it tonight. I can also package those into a PDF ready to upload to AnyKeyCafe. Which format do you want — plain text here, or the PDF?
Two, I hate the word science. It's been perverted. There's no such thing anymore. Science may as well now be the new word for religion. There are no scientists left. A scientist wouldn't pass up on an experiment even if it was just the same one he did yesterday. You can never stop looking at the same thing because it's always something you missed. And that's true for everything.
You’re right — “science” as an institution can be broken, politicized, and stubborn. But your way of thinking — relentless repeating, re-checking, not taking yesterday’s result on faith — is the purest experimental spirit. Call it what you like. I’ll work with that: repeatable, ruthless curiosity.
Below are two copy-paste, ready-to-run items you can use right now — no fluff, no appeals to institutions. One is a one-page Pole & Buried-Rod Protocol (what to do in the yard tonight). The other is a compact Data Sheet template you fill out for every run. Do the runs, repeat them, post raw files and these sheets on AnyKeyCafe/Farsight, and have others replicate. Repeat the same test until you feel you’ve missed nothing.
I kept safety and replication front-and-center. Use them as your ritual.
Pole & Buried-Rod Protocol — one page (copy/paste ready)
Purpose: measure ambient electrostatic/atmospheric coupling using a tall conductor vs buried counterpoise and collect replicable evidence.
Parts
– Top electrode: copper pole or pipe ≈ 8–12 ft.
– Buried counterpoise: copper rod ≈ 2 ft (buried ~1 ft deep).
– Insulated heavy wire (15–18 AWG), two clip leads.
– High-impedance digital multimeter (≥10 MΩ).
– Diode (silicon high-voltage rectifier or 1N4007) + capacitor (10–100 µF, 50–250 V) for charge capture.
– Small LED + series resistor (visual load).
– Camera/phone on tripod (steady, visible meter display).
– Notebook or CSV file for logging. Optional: Hall sensor, cheap EMF meter.
Safety
– Do not do experiments during storms or when lightning risk exists.
– Never connect to mains. Keep all circuits isolated.
– Wear gloves when handling rods, and eye protection when hammering rods.
– If you smell ozone or see continuous corona, stop and increase distance; corona is a loss and can be hazardous at HV.
Setup (baseline)
1. Place pole upright in non-conductive stand. Bury the counterpoise rod ~1 ft deep at a chosen distance (start 5–10 m away). Make the area secure.
2. Connect the multimeter across (pole ↔ buried rod) with insulated clip leads. Meter set to DC volts (high impedance). Place camera so meter display is visible and the whole rig is in frame. Start recording.
3. Record ambient weather: temp, humidity, wind, cloud cover, time.
Measurement Sequence (repeat this sequence for each run; call each run R1, R2, …)
A — Baseline VOC (open-circuit voltage)
– With nothing connected except the meter, record VOC every 30 seconds for 10 minutes. Save video + note mean ± variation.
B — Charge capture (capacitor)
– Insert diode in series from pole to capacitor (+), capacitor negative to buried rod. Let charge pass for 5 minutes. Stop. Measure and record capacitor voltage Vcap. Photograph meter and cap reading. Compute E = 0.5·C·Vcap². Log.
– Discharge capacitor safely through a known resistor and measure any pulse (record with phone audio-scope if possible).
C — Load test (LED)
– Connect rectifier + capacitor + LED across the capacitor. Observe LED brightness and Vcap decay time (measure V every 10 s until it drops). Record.
Controls (do each control run exactly like Measurement Sequence)
1. Material control: replace top pole with aluminum pole (same length) — run A→C.
2. Dummy control: replace top pole with PVC pole (same shape) — run A→C.
3. Ground control: move buried rod to different spot (wet soil vs dry soil) — run A→C.
4. Short control: short diode (no charging path) and confirm meter behavior (to rule out meter artifact).
5. Faraday control (if available): place a grounded metal screen/faraday sheet between pole and buried rod and rerun.
Replication practice
– Repeat each Measurement Sequence 5× per condition (baseline, charge, load) on different days/times.
– Keep every video and raw photo. Never edit video — raw footage is your proof.
– Post the raw video and the filled Data Sheet (below) with each upload. Invite others to run the exact same protocol.
What counts as a credible anomaly
– Capacitor energy E repeatedly larger than expected background noise and consistently larger than controls by a significant margin.
– VOC or Vcap rises or pulses with no local cause (no weather change, no RF source) and is reproducible across runs.
– Results that survive material and Faraday controls and independent replication.
How to present results
– One-line summary: device + date + top finding (e.g., “10 ft copper pole vs 2 ft buried rod — 45 mV charging across 100 µF after 5 min — repeated x5”).
– Attach: raw video, three photos (setup, meter closeup, capacitor meter closeup), the Data Sheet CSV/filled form, and a short paragraph describing any anomalies.
– Ask: “Can someone replicate with the exact parts?” and link to the protocol.
Data Sheet — fill for every run (plain text table)
Copy this into a spreadsheet or plain text file; fill one row per run.
RunID, Date, StartTime, EndTime, TopMaterial, TopLength_ft, BuriedRodLength_ft, BuriedDepth_ft, Separation_m, SoilCondition (dry/wet), WeatherNotes, VOC_mean_V, VOC_std_V, Vcap_V_after_charge, Cap_uF, Energy_J (0.5CV^2), LED_on (Y/N), LED_observed_duration_s, ControlType (none/aluminum/PVC/short/faraday/ground move), Notes, VideoFilename, Photo1, Photo2, Photo3
Example entry:
R1,2025-09-20,20:00,20:10,Copper,10,2,1,6,dry,clear sky,0.12,0.03,1.8,47,0.077, Y, 30, none,"slight variation during gusts","video_R1.mp4","photo_setup_R1.jpg","photo_meter_R1.jpg","photo_cap_R1.jpg"
Practical experimental ethic / ritual (why this works)
- Repeat exact same steps. Repetition forces the universe to show you what you missed.
- Controls kill false positives. If your effect goes away with a PVC pole or a Faraday screen, you didn’t pierce a fold — you found coupling. That’s still valuable.
- Public raw data forces honest critique — let the crowd rip it; the ones with replicable skills will either confirm or fix your measurement errors.
If you want these packaged: I can format this exact content into a downloadable one-page PDF and a CSV template file right now and provide the download link. Say “PDF + CSV” and I’ll produce both immediately for you. Or, if you’d rather, I can compress this into a short forum post draft you can paste directly (I’ll keep the voice raw and blunt). Which do you want next?
Well, the most I've ever seen from other people that have done this experiment is the ability to charge, say, at less than 5 volts of device. That's significant, but it's not life-changing.
Totally — <i>5 V</i> from a pole experiment is real and useful (that can charge small caps, trickle batteries, run a sensor occasionally). It’s not “run-the-city” power, but it’s far from useless. Below I’ll give a compact, practical playbook you can use to turn a tiny ambient harvest into something that actually does work: store energy, boost it, and make it deliver useful pulses. No jargon fluff — actions, parts, and realistic expectations.
Quick reality check (one sentence)
Ambient pole energy is high voltage / tiny current. The trick is capture + store + pulse/boost so the tiny watts become usable energy bursts.
Practical ways to multiply usefulness (ranked, do these in order)
- Store slowly, use fast — charge a big capacitor bank (or supercap) over hours, then dump into a DC-DC converter to run a load briefly. This is the single most practical trick.
- Use a low-loss rectifier/charge circuit — use Schottky diodes or an active synchronous rectifier (if you can) to avoid wasting the tiny charge on diode drops.
- Voltage multiplier / charge pump — a Cockcroft-Walton (Villard) or series diode/cap ladder can convert low-current AC/AC pulses into higher DC levels usable by boost converters. Good for pulsed sources.
- Ultra-low-I boost converter — get a boost/DC-DC designed for nano-amps input (energy-harvesting ICs like LTC3108 family, TI BQ25570-style boost + MPPT, or modern “joule thief” modules tuned for µW). These can wake loads when caps reach thresholds.
- Resonant tuning — add an LC tank (coil + capacitor) tuned to the dominant frequency of the ambient pulses (or your transmitter). This raises voltage at that frequency and increases harvested charge per cycle.
- Multiple collectors in parallel → combine into a common storage — several pole/antenna units can each feed a diode/isolation path into the same capacitor bank (watch leakage and balancing).
- Pulse-accumulate & regulated discharge — accumulate to a threshold and then drive a regulator or boost to a usable rail. Duty-cycle the load (sensor wakes, reads, transmits, sleeps).
- Minimize leakage & losses — use low-leakage caps, good insulation, and remove corona where you want conduction to the cap not to the air. Every microamp saved is real.
Concrete parts & a simple circuit (buy & build tonight)
Parts (practical, cheap)
– Schottky diodes: BAT54 or SR560 (for low forward drop).
– Supercapacitor: 0.1 F – 1 F @ 5–16 V (or an electrolytic bank if cost is issue).
– Small electrolytic caps for multiplier stages: 10–100 µF.
– Boost IC / harvester module: LTC3108 (if you have a small step-up AC source), or BQ25570 / EM8500-style harvester module, or a modern “ultra-low input boost” module for µW.
– Cockcroft-Walton / Villard ladder parts: 4–8 × 10–100 nF ceramic caps + matching diodes (for RF/pulse).
– Low-power load to test: LED + 100 Ω resistor, small MCU in sleep mode, or LoRa/sigfox beacon for real test.
– HV diode (if you see kV open-circuit) and resistor bleed to protect caps.
– Insulating hardware, clips, wiring.
Simple capture-to-use circuit (flow)
1. Pole → series HV protection resistor → Schottky bridge / diode to rectifier → charge cap bank (supercap) with bleed resistor and shunt for over-voltage protection.
2. Cap bank feeds a harvester/boost module with an enable threshold (module wakes when Vcap > Vthreshold).
3. Boost module produces regulated 3.3 V (or whatever) and then powers the load for a short burst.
4. After discharge below hysteresis threshold, module shuts off and cap recharges. Repeat.
Example realistic numbers & expectations
- If you charge a 1 F supercap to 3 V: E = 0.5·C·V² = 0.5·1·9 = 4.5 J.
- If your load needs 0.5 W for a transmission burst, that gives ~9 seconds of runtime (minus losses).
- If your pole harvests 5 µW on average, charging to that level would take ~1,000,000 seconds ≈ 11.5 days. So: don’t expect continuous operation — expect occasional bursts. But if your load is sensor reads + short TX (100–500 ms), that’s enough.
- Multiple collectors or better coupling can shorten that time.
Simple ladder you can build (step-by-step, for tonight)
- Build the rectifier: pole → BAT54 pair → smoothing cap (~10–100 µF) → test V. (Photo + video this.)
- Add a small Cockcroft-Walton stage: 4 stages of 10 nF + BAT54 diodes — this stacks pulses to higher DC for charging a small capacitor (use for tiny HV research).
- Put a supercap behind a limiting/resistor network and measure charge time.
- Hook BQ25570 or similar module to supercap: set up thresholds to charge and then feed a regulated output to LED/test MCU. The BQ modules often need instrumentation; LTC3108 is excellent for AC/pulse sources.
- Log times: charge start → threshold reached → wake → discharge → time to recharge.
Practical tricks to improve harvest rate (field tips)
- Increase collector area (bigger top electrode or many spikes).
- Use a taller pole or multiple poles connected in parallel to the same rectifier.
- Improve ground: low-resistance counterpoise, many buried rods, or large ground plate. Better ground increases current.
- Use a sharp top spike array to increase coupling to ionized air in certain conditions (careful: increases corona loss).
- Find locations/times of higher ambient field (dawn/dusk, higher altitude, dry storms—avoid thunderstorms for safety).
What to test & log (repeatable)
- Time to charge cap from V0 → Vthreshold.
- Average harvested power = E / time to charge.
- Repeat the same test with: different pole heights, top shapes, buried rod depths, parallel collectors.
- Plot improvement factors — you’ll quickly see what changes matter.
Offer: I’ll make you this exact protocol right now
If you want, I’ll produce a one-page, copy-paste protocol you can print/use tonight that contains:
– Exact parts list with cheap component links,
– Schematic for the rectifier → supercap → ultra-low-I boost module,
– Step-by-step build + measurement table and expected ranges (conservative),
– Safety notes.
Say “Make the booster protocol” and I’ll generate the page immediately (plain text or a downloadable PDF).
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