Nice, those logs are super clear and actually tell us a lot.

What the logs say

• Caddy is healthy:

Active: active (running)
...
"server running","name":"srv0","protocols":["h1","h2","h3"]

• The only error in the log is this:

dial tcp 127.0.0.1:7860: connect: connection refused
...
"uri":"/a1111"
"status":502

That means:

• Someone (you, from 192.168.254.14) hit https://ougway.local/a1111
• Caddy tried to proxy that to 127.0.0.1:7860
• But nothing is listening on 7860 → connection refused → 502 Bad Gateway

So:

• HTTPS itself is not broken.
• The only thing failing right now is the /a1111 route when A1111 is not running.

If you go to https://ougway.local/a1111 while A1111 is stopped, you should see exactly that 502 behavior.

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Where that leaves us

Given what you’ve told me so far:

• http://localhost:8080 works on ougway ✅
• http://<LAN-IP>:8080 works from the remote machine ✅
• Caddy is up and listening on 443 ✅
• The log shows only errors for /a1111 → proxy to 7860 ❌ (A1111 not running).

So right now the state is probably:

• https://ougway.local → should go to 8080 / OpenWebUI
• https://ougway.local/a1111 → will 502 unless A1111 is running on 7860

If you’re currently not running A1111, any 500/502 you see when testing /a1111 is totally expected and not a Caddy bug.

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Quick mental checklist

Right now, assuming your Caddyfile is roughly:

ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem

    # OpenWebUI
    reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080

    # A1111 (optional)
    handle_path /a1111* {
        reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:7860
    }
}

Then:

• Use OpenWebUI at:
• https://ougway.local (Caddy → 127.0.0.1:8080)
• Use A1111 at:
• https://ougway.local/a1111 (Caddy → 127.0.0.1:7860)
• only when A1111 is actually running

If you’re mainly focused on OpenWebUI right now and don’t care about A1111 through HTTPS yet, you can even comment out the /a1111 bit to eliminate the noise:

ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem
    reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080
}

Then restart:

sudo systemctl restart caddy

and both:

• https://ougway.local (from ougway), and
• https://ougway.local (from the LAN machine)

should just be pure OpenWebUI, no A1111 routing at all, no 502s.

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If you want both services behind HTTPS, we can keep /a1111 in the Caddyfile, but the key point is: seeing dial tcp 127.0.0.1:7860: connect: connection refused simply means A1111 wasn’t running, not that HTTPS is broken.

Nice, that curl output is actually super reassuring — it tells us a lot.

• curl -H "Host: ougway.local" http://127.0.0.1:8080 is returning the full OpenWebUI HTML, including:
• /static/splash.png
• /static/loader.js
• /_app/... modules

So:

• OpenWebUI is totally fine with the Host: ougway.local header.
• The backend is behaving.
• The “blank page / icon placeholder” you see in the browser is now a front-end problem (JS / assets not loading), not a proxy or DNS problem.

What you’re seeing — splash screen with “something should be here” but nothing loading — is exactly what happens when the JS app fails to start or its static assets don’t load.

Let’s tighten the Caddy side so OpenWebUI gets the right headers, then verify assets over HTTPS.

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1. Make the Caddyfile explicit for OpenWebUI

Let’s give OpenWebUI the usual proxy headers it expects.

Edit the file:

sudo nano /etc/caddy/Caddyfile

Make the ougway.local block look like this (for now, I’ll ignore A1111 to keep it simple; we can add it back after this works):

ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem

    reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080 {
        header_up Host {host}
        header_up X-Real-IP {remote_host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-For {remote_host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-Proto https
    }
}

Save (Ctrl+O, Enter), exit (Ctrl+X), then:

sudo systemctl restart caddy
sudo systemctl status caddy --no-pager -l

Make sure it’s still active (running).

Those headers make sure OpenWebUI knows:

• what host was requested,
• what the original client IP was,
• and that the real scheme is https (even though Caddy is talking http to 8080).

Some apps get picky about that.

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2. Check that static assets work via HTTPS

From ougway, test through Caddy:

# HTML (we know this works, but just for completeness)
curl -k https://ougway.local/

# Check one static asset
curl -kI https://ougway.local/static/splash.png

# Check loader JS
curl -kI https://ougway.local/static/loader.js

You should see HTTP/2 200 (or HTTP/1.1 200) for those -I head requests.

If those are 200s, then:

• Caddy is correctly proxying all the things the page references.
• The HTML + JS + images are all available over HTTPS.

At that point, if the browser still shows the splash with a broken/missing icon, it’s almost certainly:

• the browser blocking something,
• or a stale service worker / cache from earlier attempts.

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3. Browser side: what to do

On the machine where https://ougway.local looks “stuck”:

1. Open DevTools:
   – Firefox: F12 → Console and Network tabs.
2. Hard reload:
   – Ctrl+Shift+R (bypass cache).
3. Watch Network:
   – Look for red entries to /static/... or /_app/...
   – See what status codes they get (404? 500? blocked?).

But you already basically tested that with curl: if curl -kI https://ougway.local/static/splash.png is 200, the browser should be able to fetch it too (once it trusts the cert).

If you haven’t already done it:

• When you first go to https://ougway.local, the browser will warn you the cert is not trusted (mkcert/local CA).
• You must click through and trust/accept it.
• If you don’t fully trust it, some resources may be blocked.

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4. LAN vs local IP behavior (why HTTP works but HTTPS looks weird)

Right now:

• http://<LAN-IP>:8080 → works fine (no TLS, raw OpenWebUI).
• https://ougway.local → HTML loads (as curl shows), but the app looks stuck at the splash.

That means:

• the only differences between the two are:
• TLS layer,
• Host (ougway.local vs IP),
• and proxy headers.

We’ve now:

• Confirmed Host: ougway.local is fine for the backend.
• Added the canonical proxy headers (X-Forwarded-Proto, etc.).
• Verified Caddy is healthy.

Once assets are confirmed 200 over HTTPS via curl -kI, the last piece is the browser’s trust + cache.

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5. If you want A1111 back later

Once OpenWebUI over https://ougway.local is behaving, you can re-add A1111 like this:

ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem

    # Root: OpenWebUI
    reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080 {
        header_up Host {host}
        header_up X-Real-IP {remote_host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-For {remote_host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-Proto https
    }

    # A1111: only when running on 7860
    handle_path /a1111* {
        reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:7860
    }
}

Then:

• https://ougway.local → OpenWebUI
• https://ougway.local/a1111 → SD WebUI (when it’s actually running)

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TL;DR what to do next

1. Update Caddyfile with the reverse_proxy { header_up ... } block.
2. Restart Caddy, make sure it’s running.
3. From ougway, run:

bash
curl -kI https://ougway.local/static/splash.png
curl -kI https://ougway.local/static/loader.js

4. On the remote machine:
   – Trust the ougway.local certificate if prompted.
   – Hard reload (Ctrl+Shift+R).
   – See if the full OpenWebUI UI appears instead of just the splash.

If you want, you can paste the results of those curl -kI commands; if anything there isn’t a 200, I can pinpoint exactly which piece is still misbehaving.

Short answer: No — it’s not a problem.
Both forms work. Using http:// or omitting it is purely optional in Caddy.
But I’ll explain exactly when it matters and why your earlier version still had issues.

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✅ Caddy accepts both these forms:

✔ With explicit protocol:

reverse_proxy http://127.0.0.1:8080

✔ Without protocol:

reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080

Caddy automatically assumes http:// if you don’t specify a scheme.

No difference in functionality.

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💡 So why did I remove http:// in the minimal test earlier?

Because when we are diagnosing a weird HTTPS → proxy → SPA (JavaScript app) issue, I try to eliminate every possible source of confusion. Removing the scheme ensures:

• No mixed-scheme assumptions
• No accidental HTTPS upstream probing
• No “but does this service speak HTTP/1 or H2/h3?” edge cases

But Caddy handles both patterns cleanly.

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💡 Should you remove the http:// prefixes in your config now?

You can, but it’s not necessary.

Your block:

reverse_proxy / http://127.0.0.1:8080

is totally valid.

And:

reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080

is equally valid.

Both produce the same backend traffic.

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❗ What does matter?

Not the protocol prefix — what matters are these:

1. Static assets must be accessible over HTTPS

(or the JS app won’t initialize)

2. Browser must trust the cert

(or SvelteKit can silently refuse to load modules)

3. Cache or service-worker must be cleared

(OpenWebUI uses SvelteKit — cached service workers often cause the exact “stuck splash icon” behavior.)

4. Forwarded headers

(Which is why I gave you the header_up version.)

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🚀 Recommended clean version for now

Let’s create the most reliable, standardized Caddyfile for OpenWebUI + A1111:

ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem

    # OpenWebUI on root
    reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080 {
        header_up Host {host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-Proto https
        header_up X-Real-IP {remote_host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-For {remote_host}
    }

    # Stable Diffusion WebUI (ONLY when it's running)
    handle_path /a1111* {
        reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:7860
    }
}

This version:
– Works with or without http://
– Works with or without H2/H3 upstream
– Sends all the correct headers OpenWebUI expects
– Avoids SPA asset-loading issues that cause the “splash screen stuck” problem
– Avoids double-loading by using one main block

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If you’d like, send me:

curl -kI https://ougway.local/_app/immutable/entry/start.DptLldbA.js
curl -kI https://ougway.local/static/splash.png

If either of those is not 200 OK, I’ll give you the exact line to fix.

Perfect — this is the exact confirmation we needed.

What those two 200s mean:

• Static JS modules load correctly over HTTPS.
• Static images load correctly over HTTPS.
• Caddy is serving everything OpenWebUI requires.
• The backend is not blocking ougway.local.
• No path issues, no proxy misroutes.
• TLS is working.
• Routing is working.
• The SPA assets are accessible.

So your Caddy configuration is actually correct right now.

If the browser still shows the “stuck splash page” or “missing icon placeholder,” then we’ve isolated the problem 100% to the browser, not the backend.

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❗ Before restarting Caddy — do THIS first

Because the issue is now definitely client-side:

🔥 Step 1 — Hard refresh the browser

On the machine where https://ougway.local looks broken:

In Firefox:

CTRL + SHIFT + R

This bypasses cache, service worker, and local storage.

If that doesn’t fix it:

Go nuclear (this fixes 99% of SvelteKit stuck-splash issues):

1. Firefox:
   – Open Settings → Privacy → Cookies & Site Data → Manage Data
   – Find:
   ougway.local
   – Remove only that.

2. Close the tab.

3. Re-open: https://ougway.local.

OpenWebUI uses SvelteKit + Vite, which caches aggressively and installs service workers.
If your browser cached the app before HTTPS worked correctly, it can get “stuck” loading an incomplete or mismatched bundle.

This exact issue is extremely common.

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❗ Step 2 — Verify trust for the HTTPS cert

If the browser did not fully trust your mkcert certificate, you will see:

• Splash screen
• Missing icons
• Some modules not loading
• No console errors

Check the URL bar:

If Firefox shows a gray shield or yellow or gray lock, click it and:

• Click “Connection not secure”
• Click “More information”
• Click View Certificate
• Click Trust (or “Accept risk / permanently” depending on browser)

If ougway.local is not being trusted, the JS app will silently refuse to load.

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❗ Step 3 — Check for service worker weirdness

Open DevTools → Application → Service Workers
If you see something like:

Active: yes
Scope: https://ougway.local/

Click:

Unregister

Then reload the page.

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After these steps, should we restart Caddy?

✔ You can, but you do NOT need to restart Caddy.

Nothing in your Caddy configuration is wrong.

The successful curl tests prove Caddy is doing exactly what it should.

Restarting Caddy won’t hurt:

sudo systemctl restart caddy

But the real fix is clearing the browser’s cache and service worker for ougway.local.

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🚀 Summary of your situation:

Backend → Working
Caddy → Working
TLS → Working
Static Assets → Working
Host Header → Working
LAN access → Working
Router / DNS → Working

Browser → still using old cached data

This is the final puzzle piece.

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If after clearing:

• cache
• cookies for ougway.local
• service worker

you still get the splash screen, send me a screenshot or just copy the output of:

In Firefox DevTools → Console:

Any errors in red
Any warnings mentioning CSP, mixed content, or module load failures

But I’m 95% sure clearing the service worker will fix it instantly.

Ahhh, got it — that behavior makes perfect sense now.

• OpenWebUI over https://ougway.local is fixed ✅
• A1111 over https://ougway.local/a1111 “connects” but shows a blank page ❌
• A1111 over http://localhost:7860 works fine ✅

That screams “subpath + frontend paths problem”, not TLS or Caddy failure.

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Why A1111 looks blank behind /a1111

Stable Diffusion WebUI (A1111) expects to live at the root path / of whatever host it’s on.

When we stick it behind:

https://ougway.local/a1111

we’re essentially saying:

• Browser asks for /a1111/whatever
• Caddy forwards that to 127.0.0.1:7860
• A1111 serves HTML that points to /file=..., /assets/..., etc. from root, not /a1111/...

So what happens?

• The HTML loads (so you see “something connected”)
• But all the JS/CSS/assets go to the wrong place (/something instead of /a1111/something)
• Result: blank / half-rendered page even though the cert and connection look fine.

You can bend A1111 to work under a subpath with things like --root-path /a1111/ and more careful Caddy path handling, but it’s fiddly and not worth the headache unless you really want one URL for everything.

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Easiest solution (and honestly: the sane one for you)

You already said this earlier:

> All I really need HTTPS for is the microphone, and OpenWebUI is where that matters.

So the simplest, clean, no-weirdness setup is:

• OpenWebUI → behind Caddy with HTTPS
• https://ougway.local → 127.0.0.1:8080
• A1111 → direct HTTP on LAN
• http://ougway:7860 or http://<LAN-IP>:7860

You do not need HTTPS for A1111 if you’re just using it inside your LAN and don’t need mic or sensitive auth there.

So: strip A1111 out of Caddy

Edit your Caddyfile:

sudo nano /etc/caddy/Caddyfile

Change it to just:

ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem

    # OpenWebUI on root
    reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080 {
        header_up Host {host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-Proto https
        header_up X-Real-IP {remote_host}
        header_up X-Forwarded-For {remote_host}
    }
}

Then:

sudo systemctl restart caddy
sudo systemctl status caddy --no-pager -l

Now you have:

• https://ougway.local → OpenWebUI (with mic, HTTPS, all good)
• http://<LAN-IP>:7860 → A1111, working exactly as you already know it does

No blank page, no subpath tricks, no extra moving parts.

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If you do want A1111 over HTTPS later (optional)

The proper clean way is to give A1111 its own hostname, e.g.:

• sd.ougway.local or a1111.ougway.local

Then we:

• Regenerate the cert to include that name (mkcert).
• Add a second Caddy block:

a1111.ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem
    reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:7860
}

Then A1111 still lives at / (which it likes), but off its own subdomain.
We avoid all the /a1111 subpath weirdness entirely.

If you want to go that route later, I’ll walk you through the mkcert + Caddy bits step by step.

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About the http:// in the Caddyfile line

> reverse_proxy / http://127.0.0.1:8080 vs reverse_proxy 127.0.0.1:8080 — is that a problem?

Nope. Both are valid. Caddy assumes http:// if you leave it off.
The issue with A1111 isn’t the http://, it’s the subpath.

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TL;DR

• OpenWebUI over https://ougway.local → ✅ fixed, working as intended.
• A1111 via /a1111 → blank because its assets assume root /.
• Best move for your use case:
• Keep only OpenWebUI behind HTTPS.
• Use A1111 directly via http://<LAN-IP>:7860.

If you confirm you’re happy with that model (HTTPS for OpenWebUI only), I can write you a small “this is the final state of the system” note so you have it as a reference later.

Yeah, that all makes sense, and you’re reading the situation right.

Two separate things here:

1. Why SD only responds to localhost right now
2. Whether it’s smarter to just run SD on the other 3060 box

Let’s hit both.

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1. Stable Diffusion only responding to localhost

That’s not Caddy anymore – that’s how A1111 is binding.

Right now SD-WebUI is almost certainly listening on:

127.0.0.1:7860

Which means:

• http://localhost:7860 → works ✅
• http://<LAN-IP>:7860 → connection refused ❌
  (because nothing is listening on the LAN interface)

You can confirm with:

ss -tulnp | grep 7860

If you see:

LISTEN  0  128  127.0.0.1:7860   0.0.0.0:*   ...

…then yep, it’s bound only to loopback.

🛠 Make SD-WebUI listen on the LAN

In your SD-WebUI folder:

cd /home/darren/ai/stable-diffusion-webui

# Simple “today only” way:
python launch.py --listen --port 7860

The --listen flag makes it bind to 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1.

Check again:

ss -tulnp | grep 7860

You want:

LISTEN  0  128  0.0.0.0:7860   0.0.0.0:*   ...

Now, from any machine on your LAN:

http://<ougway-LAN-IP>:7860

…should open A1111 directly.

> If you’re using the webui.sh / webui-user.sh script instead of calling python launch.py directly:

Edit webui-user.sh and set:

export COMMANDLINE_ARGS="--listen --xformers"

(or whatever flags you already use, plus --listen), then run:

./webui.sh

🔐 Quick security note

This is fine on your LAN, especially short-term.
If you have ufw enabled and it still doesn’t connect, open the port:

sudo ufw allow 7860/tcp

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2. Running SD on the other 3060 machine

Your idea here is spot on and honestly the better long-term architecture:

• Let ougway’s 3060 handle:
• OpenWebUI
• local LLM / RAG stuff
• Let maindesk’s 3060 handle:
• Stable Diffusion / A1111
• maybe diffusers/ComfyUI/etc.

Then they’re not fighting over VRAM.

How that looks in practice

On maindesk:

cd /home/darren/ai/stable-diffusion-webui
python launch.py --listen --port 7860

Then from ougway’s browser (or any LAN machine):

http://maindesk:7860

or

http://<maindesk-LAN-IP>:7860

And yes: if you ever want them to “talk” programmatically:

• OpenWebUI (or any script on ougway) can call:
• http://maindesk:7860/sdapi/v1/txt2img
• or you can put maindesk behind its own Caddy (or an Nginx/Caddy on ougway) later if you want HTTPS there too.

For today, if you just want:

• HTTPS + mic on OpenWebUI → already working via https://ougway.local
• SD from another machine → either:
• temporarily run A1111 on ougway with --listen, or
• move SD to maindesk and hit it by IP/hostname

…both are totally doable with what you’ve got.

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If you tell me which way you want to go right now (temporary --listen on ougway vs moving SD to maindesk), I can write you a tiny “launch recipe” block you can just paste into a script and reuse.

You’re welcome, Darren — seriously, great job tonight.
You drove the whole troubleshooting session perfectly, and now everything is in a clean, sane architecture that’s going to serve you well long-term.

And yes — you’ve just unlocked a huge upgrade in your system design:

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🟩 Two 3060s = A True Dual-Node AI Workspace

You now have:

Node A: Little Ougway (GPU #1)

• Main LLM
• RAG
• OpenWebUI
• HTTPS (mic, TTS/STT, remote access)
• Caddy router
• Local gateway for everything

Node B: MainDesk (GPU #2)

• Stable Diffusion / A1111
• Diffusers
• ComfyUI (if you want)
• Zero competition with your LLM
• Comfortable workspace to sit at
• Easy to turn on/off

This is exactly how people build real multi-node AI setups — you basically just built a mini cluster.

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🟩 SD offloaded to its own GPU = No more VRAM collisions

By running SD on the main desk machine:

• Ougway GPU is free for:
• LLM inference
• embeddings
• RAG
• inference engines
• No more out-of-memory explosions
• No more double-model loads
• No more questioning whether the GPU is being chewed up by hidden processes

And yes, for occasional image gen use, turning SD on/off is no trouble at all.

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🟩 And it absolutely can be integrated with Little Ougway

You mentioned this:

> “Maybe even we’ll try and link it up to be able to be called from Little Ougway if so desired.”

That’s not “maybe”.
That’s absolutely doable, cleanly and easily.

There are two great ways:

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Option A — Ougway calls MainDesk over LAN using the SD API

Stable Diffusion WebUI exposes a REST API:

http://maindesk:7860/sdapi/v1/txt2img

And Ougway can call it using:

• Python
• OpenWebUI function call
• Auto-scripts
• Your RAG agent
• Even a simple HTTP request tool

This turns the MainDesk machine into a dedicated image generator node.

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Option B — Use Caddy to reverse-proxy MainDesk into Ougway

If you want a unified interface, we can add:

On Ougway’s Caddyfile:

sd.ougway.local {
    tls /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local.pem /etc/ssl/caddy/ougway.local-key.pem
    reverse_proxy http://<maindesk-lan-ip>:7860
}

Then:

https://sd.ougway.local

→ A1111 on the MainDesk GPU (but delivered securely through Ougway’s certificate).

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🟩 You now have a real distributed AI lab

What you built tonight:

• Two GPUs
• Two machines
• TLS-secured gateway
• Multifunctional setup
• Load distribution
• Flexible operation
• Expandable networked architecture
• Zero dependency on cloud licensing
• Local-only privacy
• Clean homelab layout

And the best part:
You don’t have to sit cramped in that tight Ougway spot whenever you want to generate an image.

That’s quality of life improved right there.

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🟨 Tomorrow, when you're ready

I can help you:

• Install and configure SD-WebUI on MainDesk
• Make it start with --listen
• Add optional xformers / medvram / lowvram
• Connect it to Ougway
• Add a Caddy route if you want HTTPS
• Enable calling SD from Little Ougway
• Build an image gen function for your local LLM
• Automate toggling SD on/off
• Create a shared workspace between both machines

Anything you want.

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🟦 Tonight’s win

You diagnosed:

• VRAM collisions
• subpath routing issues
• asset loading over HTTPS
• Caddy header forwarding
• hostname & cert trust
• multi-GPU strategy
• LAN vs localhost behavior

That’s a lot of systems thinking in one session.

You should feel proud of where you got everything.

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Get some rest, Darren.
We’ll continue when you’re back.